tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post6324696982760573878..comments2024-03-29T07:29:18.369-04:00Comments on The Write Conversation: Conquering Six Enemies of Deep Point of ViewEdie Melsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03902312441667526147noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-68642546593403239012020-05-28T09:48:31.898-04:002020-05-28T09:48:31.898-04:00Hey there, You have done a great job. I'll de...Hey there, You have done a great job. I'll definitely digg it and personally recommend to my friends.<br /><br />I'm sure they will be benefited from this site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-48037966232457730432018-10-11T16:46:07.528-04:002018-10-11T16:46:07.528-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-87199473208289464182018-10-11T16:43:58.356-04:002018-10-11T16:43:58.356-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-4337663650675409602018-10-11T16:06:40.940-04:002018-10-11T16:06:40.940-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-84385362925519210752018-10-11T15:08:15.762-04:002018-10-11T15:08:15.762-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-68789264834966686582017-04-03T17:21:04.362-04:002017-04-03T17:21:04.362-04:00Each time I come back to review your tipsI think i...Each time I come back to review your tipsI think it sinks in a little more and that starts a bookwide edit. :) I fibd it easier to fix one thing at a time. I love your blog. :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-30237596586273379562017-01-14T11:17:48.420-05:002017-01-14T11:17:48.420-05:00one of the best posts about writting. Thank you one of the best posts about writting. Thank you Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05201768704652722321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-6081988739324705892016-11-04T19:43:57.297-04:002016-11-04T19:43:57.297-04:00Oh this was so helpful! Thank you:)Oh this was so helpful! Thank you:)Haileyhttp://haileyhudson.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-35528219631642227082016-04-09T16:30:42.882-04:002016-04-09T16:30:42.882-04:00Rebekah, I don't check this post very often an...Rebekah, I don't check this post very often anymore (see date!) but I hop over here sometimes when it gets a few new RTs, which happened this week. So I'm not sure if you'll see my response, but here goes anyway. :)<br /><br />Yes, deep POV is seeing what the MC sees, not looking at him from the outside. In third person, the thoughts in the character's head are presented to the reader as factual statements. Hence the sentence you reference above. Marcus is thinking, about time someone besides me had a sensible thought. But because deep POV is an unspoken filter giving us his mind and no one else's, that thought is told as if it is factual, because to Marcus it is fact. Yes, you could do the same thing with "me," but in third person you would have to italicize it. Which isn't wrong, but a lot of italicized thoughts tend to be distracting because they're so blatant on the page. It's best to keep them to a minimum when you can, and use the unspoken POV filter to present character thoughts "as fact."<br /><br />An example of what *would* be distancing from deep POV: Marcus thought that it was about time someone besides him had a sensible thought. Or, About time someone else had a sensible thought, Marcus mused. These sentences are drawing attention to the fact that "Marcus is thinking," which is something we don't do inside our own minds, so it reasserts the presence of a narrator and therefore pulls us out of the deep POV.<br /><br />And yeah, the thinking of oneself in third person (as in your Dermott example) is more for sarcasm. Or possibly a psychotic character. ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12712706816294593346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-27772184722221711122016-02-01T03:18:53.575-05:002016-02-01T03:18:53.575-05:00Rayne Hall has written a short book on the subject...Rayne Hall has written a short book on the subject of Deep pov which is well worth reading. Here's a link http://www.amazon.com/dp/B016FLA282JJ Tonerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14127775887979000379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-88463909586970562912016-01-30T22:51:09.622-05:002016-01-30T22:51:09.622-05:00I've tried both and l think it can be done in ...I've tried both and l think it can be done in both. However when you write in past tense l think you can get away with putting in more insight because when you are telling of events that have already happened you would give your reader more details than if the story is unfolding. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14801040086634136398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-86955047187332567832016-01-30T22:46:59.997-05:002016-01-30T22:46:59.997-05:00I have been reading as much as l can about deep po...I have been reading as much as l can about deep pov in an attempt to understand and conquer this style in my first novel. What l have found is the same few points over and over. There were a couple of new insights in this post. So l read the fist chapter of seek and hide hopeing for more insight instead l got more confused. The story is being told from Marcus's pov but the view isn't always from in his head, often the view is from the out side and we are watching Marcus. I was under the impression that deep pov meant only seeing what the mc sees and looking at the mc from the outside? Early on in the story l came across a line -About time somebody besides Marcus had a sensable thought. He set down the axe. If we are in his head seeing his thoughts shouldn't the line be- About time someone besides me had a sensible thought.- or maybe just -About time someone else had a sensible thought.- I could be that Marcus is thinking about himself in the third person. There are times when this works for a characters thoughts ie -A gold star for Dermott, he can impress adolescent girls with his worldly wisdom- or -Poor Spike had a trip to the vet and now he can't play with the other puppies any more- In both cases there is an obvious air of sarcasm. Which fits with the mc referring to themselves in third person. In this case when Marcus's name is used it appears to me that we are not in his head anymore instead we are looking at him from outside. As l said l thought this went against method of deep pov?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14801040086634136398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-80584315263851076952016-01-10T00:03:55.498-05:002016-01-10T00:03:55.498-05:00JJ, I think tense is a matter of preference for th...JJ, I think tense is a matter of preference for the writer. You can achieve deep POV equally in either tense. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12712706816294593346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-88057587888664459962015-11-14T06:02:18.159-05:002015-11-14T06:02:18.159-05:00What about tense, Amanda? What do you think about ...What about tense, Amanda? What do you think about writing deep pov in the present tense instead of the past tense? Wouldn't this make the whole thing more (in)tense? :) and deeper?JJ Tonerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14127775887979000379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-39018575791217516062015-09-27T00:02:28.736-04:002015-09-27T00:02:28.736-04:00Hi, Debbi! Yes, "head hopping" refers to...Hi, Debbi! Yes, "head hopping" refers to changing POV within a scene. I'm not sure what you mean by overlapping? If you mean ending a scene, breaking, beginning a new scene by repeating the same moment of time from the other character's POV--I have seen some books do this, but I would caution against doing it too often and I would say you can only do this with the last line of dialogue or so, not a whole chunk of the scene. Hope that makes sense. :-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12712706816294593346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-83128538886550837152015-09-26T10:46:38.908-04:002015-09-26T10:46:38.908-04:00Debbi, Edie here. What Amanda is referring to is p...Debbi, Edie here. What Amanda is referring to is presenting the POV of two or more characters within the same scene. Most books have multiple POVs, but generally it's harder for the reader to follow if you do it within the same scenes. I hope this helps! Blessings, EEdie Melsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03902312441667526147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-88672199945108001322015-09-25T14:15:19.229-04:002015-09-25T14:15:19.229-04:00Quick question, when you say never head hop, you a...Quick question, when you say never head hop, you are not referring to writing from different POVs. My WIP is written one scene in the hero and one scene in the heroine''s POV. I try to keep the story moving forward, however, sometimes I may over lap a little before I move ahead. What are your thought on this? P.S. great article. I see what areas need work and what areas are working. ;-) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00723822137110147449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-18920702738607044862015-09-18T19:19:49.767-04:002015-09-18T19:19:49.767-04:00BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO! Well put. This can be so hard...BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO! Well put. This can be so hard to do, but it really does work. As the others have said, this nails it. Nice.Terry Ambrosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14859532145979982213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-84684368499989750502015-08-16T22:08:44.584-04:002015-08-16T22:08:44.584-04:00Thanks for these tips! I'm deep in revision ri...Thanks for these tips! I'm deep in revision right now and started looking for these slips. Totally surprised when I realized how often I was doing it!Alyssa Hollingsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15611176985639005028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-85773435341675881992015-06-12T22:17:58.887-04:002015-06-12T22:17:58.887-04:00Great post. You nailed it.Great post. You nailed it.Mandy Whitehttp://mandywrite.weebly.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-22480800039347691472015-04-11T00:25:13.047-04:002015-04-11T00:25:13.047-04:00Thanks for this! I put my MG manuscripts in a draw...Thanks for this! I put my MG manuscripts in a drawer because I kept getting told to deepen my POV. Now I have some great ideas on how. <a href="http://www.lexicalcreations.com/" rel="nofollow">JEN Garrett</a>JEN Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11223454346963493011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-28178169885701394252015-04-08T18:50:27.669-04:002015-04-08T18:50:27.669-04:00I'm trying my hand at this, but I don't ha...I'm trying my hand at this, but I don't have anyone who can tell me if I'm doing it correctly. Where can I get some feedback on my writing? Hint, hint... :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-55407354749239217792014-12-18T23:32:12.527-05:002014-12-18T23:32:12.527-05:00Jade, for deep POV in an intense/emotional scene, ...Jade, for deep POV in an intense/emotional scene, put yourself inside that character and walk through what these emotions feel like--is he shaking? Is it hard to breathe? Is his stomach clenched up? Let us feel that anxiety with him without telling us he's anxious. Emotions do things to our bodies, and describing that (without overdoing it, of course; characters who constantly cry or feel like vomiting are just irritating) is a great way for us to experience the emotion.<br /><br />Hope this helps!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12712706816294593346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-36556139502999472142014-12-16T08:30:58.143-05:002014-12-16T08:30:58.143-05:00Nice it was helpful but what if I m writing a thir...Nice it was helpful but what if I m writing a third person book and I want to write a really intense and emotional scene...Any points for that?<br />Jadenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2907737240492304428.post-92098163452247944402014-12-12T03:20:20.629-05:002014-12-12T03:20:20.629-05:00I love this post! Never have I encountered a clear...I love this post! Never have I encountered a clearer explanation. Brilliant! Thank you so much.J Lenni Dornerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07961335286982498158noreply@blogger.com